>>> After sending the following email enquiry to all Cook Island email accounts mentioned in the CI telephone book there has been the following answers >>>
Until today 1 st september 2005 there are 30 opinions in. - The results are : 70 % yes, 23 % no, 7 % undecided yet.
yes = 21 x , no = 7 x , not decided (or i could not find out) = 2 x --- Send your opinion, it still counts - Thank you all ;-)



photos attached to outgoing emails

>>> kia orana - please send your opinion to the MMR / OMAI building proposal >>> 

Kia Orana Cook Islanders

Dear polynesian people on Rarotonga, Aitutaki, Atiu, Mangaia,
Manihiki, Mauke, Mitiaro, Penrhyn, Pukapuka, and Rakahanga.

Would you please be so nice to tell me from your personal
point of view : " Do you like the architects drafts for the new
MMResources and O.M.I.Admini. at Avatiu Harbour or not ?"

Just tell it like it feels for you, looking onto the CAAD photos.
http://www.volker-goebel.biz/MMR_Final_Views_2005.html
(overview page : full loading time app. 2 min., but worth it)

Stay healthy and help where you can
sincerely yours, kia manuia, ki kate

Archi (Grad. Eng. Volker Goebel)



http://www.volker-goebel.biz/MMR_Final_Views_2005.html


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Your opinions by email, my answers - original text published - mostly anonymus, without emailadresses :
No.
and a postcard for you :

Answer - Yes, the design looks good.

Kia manuia
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I know you. - During first month I visited the existing Parliament building.
You showed me around and answered my funny questions with patience.

You ´ ve been drawing me a map to find CICC church in uptown Avarua.
Thank you therefore again. You showed me the way. A public servant.

Until now there is no office space for you in the MMR. - But the new CI
Conference Room is always open for members of Parliament to discuss.

I try to find an office for you if we go further inside the building. I´ ll search
in the first floor and second floor for you. Would you share with someone ?

kia manuia - sincerely - archi - Grad. Eng. Volker Goebel - Ex tourist

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all foundations and squaremeter information in one drawing

this could be worth a parliament decision

this contains todays landuse question

this needs a good political decision


My views: 1.Foreign looking as if it is an object from outer space and
lacks the island taste.
Ka kite.
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Bonjour monsieur le docteur. You are right it comes from outer space.
It is inspired by heaven and earth. It likes to be part of the island taste.

whereever you are - take care - merci - ki kate ? - ka kite ? - archi

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No I don't. This might look good in Auckland but not on Rarotonga.
It should either have a polynesian or colonial nautical look/design.

Regards,
Dennis Hogan
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Can´ t you see that it follows the idea of the polynesian round hut.
You can see the "wooden concrete pilars" from outside and inside.

thanks for your opinion - archi - architecture for the tropics ltd.

09

Kia Orana !
Just a querry - how safe will this building be during Hurrican season, bearing in mind
that sea level reached over the road by that times... will the ground floor be offices too ?
It does look great, but I would rather have this very expensive building be built on safe grounds...
Cheers
Maeva
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The Fisheries (today MMR) building with its funny roof survived there more than 30 years.
Only the 0,7 meter deeper sited OMIA shed with its wide open backside foundations had
a wave impact. - The new MMR building will be protected by an extended harbour wall and
a second (round) protection wall coming out of the foundation 0,5 meter. (a nice place to sit)
The MMR foundation plate will be 1,3 meter higher than the existing fisheries foundation.
All these impovements took place under pressure from Ian. - I´ve been in 5 cyclones with you.

meitaki for taking things seriously at the edgewater - sincerely yours - archi

08

Kia Orana

DEFINATELY NO!!!! Sure its a nice building and very attractive, but for
the Islands NO WAY!!....slowly we are allowing the western culture to come
in and spoil our paradise. It just doesn't look right not in the island
setting.

This is the main reasons why the tourism has escalated here in the Cooks.
People want to get away from the high rise building and busyness of where
they come from and relax on our beautiful paradise soaking in the sun. Why
spoil it with a project such as this. If it had an Island flavour to it,
perhaps I would consider the proposal....I mean look at the Justice
Building...it just looks so off to our surroundings....part of me would
think we are in china town....If it had that Island touch to it, wow what a
sight and our identity of who we are as Cook Islanders would be seen.

Its so sad that our people of the Cook Islands do not see a good future for
the local people. Our focus has moved away from the love and care that we
once had to the big dollar signs. Who we are will slowly fade away and
already it has been seen in our language, our mother tongue....I take my
hats off to the outer islands who have kept their islands pest free from all
these unwanted western cultures that seem to spread around our island like a
virus. People are more interested in filling their pockets, Im talking
about the ones who make the decisions for our small paradise, having nice
houses and flash cars and travelling the world....but what about their
children, and children's children...what future have they set up for their
families....the Sheraton....another project that would spoil the
island....why not turn it into a university to education our local
people...train them up.....why do we have to go to another country to study,
why do we have to bring in foreigners here to educate us.....where are our
own local people to do this.....why isn't government doing something about
it to help and educate our local people....I would rather see the sheraton
turn into a university rather than a massive hotel complex its almost like a
bomb waiting to explode....we will have rich weatlh people coming in,
casino's and drugs and very soon high power weapons will slowly slip
in...thats how I see the future of our paradise....it won't be a paradise
anymore....there will be alot more crime....and we won't even be safe
anymore in our homes....

Please don't let this project go ahead, not a building looking like
this.....keep it simple and nice....have an island flavour to it...the
people and tourist will appreciate it more.....this would be just another
building from their homeland...Ive seen one just like that in NZ...its ok
for there...but not here....most people would like it, but if they shared
the same views as I have they would agree that its not for Rarotonga.....its
too commercial looking......In closing I would like to thank you for taking
the time to get views from other sources around the Cooks....its good to
hear what the local people have to say ...this would give a good indication
and debate as to which way we are headed. For the good of our paradise or
to destroy it and by the time they realise it, its too late to back out....I
hope you will accomplish what you set out to do...and to make wise decisions
for our nation.

Kia Manuia

Lizz
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basicly, you´ve said it all after reading about it - thanks - archi

07

It is very nice building and just right for the waterfront
However I am interested to know who is paying for this project?
This is project would certainly cost 2 million dollars plus
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Thanks for praising the design. Does good to have a stabile structure
if you work in front of an open harbour entrance in a peninsula situation.

As it is a government building it is payed with public money. The MMR might
get a +50 % building budget 2007 for beginning the new building they need or
they can make good money with selling 1 year fishing rights permits to ...

Thank you hopper, your anticipationes are full of truth. - sincerely - archi

06

I love it. Should go ahead and do it. About time MMR have a permanent,
structured and solid home.
Peter K William
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Hello Peter Pearliam K William - thanks for loving "the big oyster / beehive"
Yes the MMR people work in an old rotten wooden shed. - It is about time now.

The inner structure of the building ensures an efficiet workflow.
Full concrete / steel building - but every generation can paint it new.

kia manuia - thank you very much - archi

05

Dear Volker,

Thank you for for the opportunity to comment. Actually from the first concept drawing released months ago I liked the look of the building and think it suitable for the site. Sending all those marvelous computer renderings tells me a lot about computer skills, but is overkill as a selling tool. I'd rather have been sent floor layouts.

More to the point. however, I don't yet accept your premise that the building is cyclone wave safe. We are fortunate to have a local expert on wave heights and wave impact, namely Don Dorrell. When he looks at the site plan & structural drawings and says it's safe, then and not until then I become a believer. The never ending problem here is the refusal of engineers to seek technical guidance.

The I-know-it-all syndrome is pandemic; this has most especially been true in the planning of your neigbouring site Western Avatiu harbour where, for just one example, the harbour was dug before a proper sea wall installed. Now those pitiful "breakwater" rocks are being regularly tumbled into the "harbour" where they will be a bitch to remove. Sorry to be half-negative, but I suspect that you don't seek much technical advice either because the text beneath your beautiful renditions is full of spelling errors. We all make those, but most of us either use Spellcheck or an editor or both.

If our wave expert states that the building is well anchored or well above the height of 100-year storm impact, then I'm happy with the location & esthetics. Even if some wave impact is possible, the answer might only be to install ground floor walls that blow out just as the new Trader Jack's has a toilet block that can be hauled away. A lot of thought went into the latter; hopefully more will go into the MMR plan. So my advice is hold the renditions and send some solid technical data. Don't just SAY that it's cyclne wave proof, PROVE it.

Kia manuia, TAP

PS You aren't alone in taking wave hazard lightly. The new Chinese-designed police station may be on an even lower ground level. They say that they are putting all machinery and electronics up on the first floor, but they'd do far better to follow the Courthouse example and go up on posts or better still relocate to the back road.
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Hello TAP - for sure you´ll get the floorplanlayouts. Please click on the "postcard" to get a higher resolution drawing.
The building will be on street level plus second (round) protectionwall0,5m towards the pacific, plus the buildings walls.
I´ve been explaining the situation already above (follow link) - waters are rising slowly in centimeters by global warming.
Could you please provide Don Dorrells Email adress and information by facts why he is the one to ask please? Thanks.

It might need some expensive equipment to fix the "breakwater rocks" with concrete and steel. Dangerous rocky ground!
You might put a ramm-machine on a smimming platform to get that work done. Building engineers can plan such waterjobs.
Sorry for the spelling errors - english is still a foreign language for me. Can you help me with rereading of existing pages ?
Hey - this time we put propper engineered armour steel inside. - Not throwing a single D 6 mm wire into a muddy brickwall.

Have you ever seen any plans concerning the "new police building" ? - I would like to see them. But without drawings ?
Thank you for putting Don Dorrell into the MMR / OMIA project. If he can say something that refers to reality on Rarotonga.

kia manuia - tangaroaci - hope to see you for a beer somewhere - sincerely - Grad. Eng. Volker Goebel - archi

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I am very impressed. You have thought a lot about the economic and environmental viability of the building and there is even parking!!! Wow!! My only concern is the height, other than that, I think it looks great. Unlike the "Chinese building", your design to me fits in with the coconut tree look. Otherwise, I'm more into the traditional colonial look, which to me, although not native Cook Islands, is a part of our history and I think we need to be careful to not modernise things so much so that they sick out like a sore thumb and distract from the Cook Islands environment, like I feel the "Chinese building" does. I just hope that it will be well looked after once it is built!

Good work and thank you for the chance to view and comment!

Sincerely,


Anita Allan, Cook Islands Country Manager & Team Leader
Global Volunteers - Partners in Development
www.globalvolunteers.org
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Hi Anita Allan - having a green roof - big passive concrete walls - sunloovers but
no airconditioning machines is environmentaly a friendly and propper green layout.

Drawing some parkings is also a duty due to todays "individual car stupidness" !
I like your expression "design fits into coconut tree look" - i like that coconut style.

Thank you for giving your opinion. We both have seen a lot and want good ideas for the
beautiful rock that is surrounded by a bioparadise we all enjoy so much. - Keep rolling.

ki kate - sincerely yours - archi - who would like to live on Rarotonga

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Kia Orana,

Thanks for your response.
The new picture gives me a better idea of the location, and I can now see
that the lines are across the front of the building.
If I interpret it correctly, the existing Avatiu Harbour is at the extreme
right of the 'Nighplane' picture, which eans the proposed site is almost
exactly where a previous building existed until January/ February this year.

BUT - I cannot see any indication of the new 'harbour extension area' which
I would have expected to see at the left of this picture.

The only other concern I have is that the new building might be at risk from
high seas etc during cyclones.
Are there any protective features to guard this very expensive investment?

regards

Jeff Hill
for Sands Villas
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Kia Orana Jeff, it has been the shed of the O.M.I.A. that got washed out early this year.
The old "fisheries building" with the MMR department Maritime Training Center inside is
surviving their for more then 30 years now. New MMR will be 1 meter higher than O.M.I.A.

By enlarging the harbour wall and overcasting the old rotten O.M.I.A. car repair fingers
Rarotonga gets some 260,95 sqm new dryland. You can see that better in the 2nd drawing.
It will be the full concrete / steel construction that protects the building against high seas.

Thank you - meitaki maata - sincerely - archi

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The building looks nice, however I have trouble envisaging the intended
environment, which is not apparent from this or other stuff I have seen.

What detracts from the picture is the sight of poles bearing wires across
the front of it.
It would be good to think these could be done away with.

Jeff Hill
Agent for Sands Villas
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Kia orana Jeff - thank you for the "building looks nice" and environment doubts
Having an entry, a delivery path, stairs down to the harbour platform, lawn and
trees beside the two parkings is not exeptionel but usefull. But it can be improved.

The "overland power lines" question is also a money question. I don´t know the answer.
Overland is easier to fix and to repair as cables in "round underground concrete pipes".
As I have to care for the building, I would rather put the money into the new busbay station.

Thank you for your opinion and questions - sincerely - archi

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Thank you for participating. Emails are asorted by date. Your Email adresses are not published. - If you do not want to be mentioned here / no problem - promised

 

 

 

app. 65.000 (cook islands) maori in new zealand

app. 18,027 native island maori in the cooks

app. 12,188 people on Rarotonga

app. 900 left the rock in 2004

app. 1 burned himself at Oasis fluel station - a music DJ ! -why ? - what for ? - a cold winter ? - family problems ? - social pressure ?

 

hurray, recently there has been an article in the newspaper that the exodus

seem to be stopped. - Please stay on the islands of love. - Don´t leave home.

 Source : Cook Islands News, Sec. Kevin Carr, MFEM (January 2006) meitaki


 

 Legends may sleep - but they never die / Faireka on first holiday after years now

Dear hon. minister Tupou Faireka (Law and Marine Resources)

(did you initialized the Courthouse, Policestation, MMR draft´s ?)

Greed can´t stop the idea of national unity you followed. Meitaki.

 


 

what happens on Rarotonga - who provides work here ?

It is still the rising accommodation projects and the tourism business !

What about a modern Cook Islands Government building for national unity ?

You can build that "beehive" on your own and be proud of your own achievements !

 

 kia avana - amen